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thank you for coming allow me a second

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to formally introduce myself to you in

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my language ha de las Atlantis don't

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Iguodala loggin caucus custody rlogin do

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you HOT argan stas Tostig YK gan IO

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agent D clink IKEA I Gargan startled WA

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you know Dec young cuida you know Dec

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young Wendy Smyth Yacht circuit here

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addiction Donna Douglas the outer region

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Alec Ruth Douglas teach in DiNardo young

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Sam Elsie Douglas teach in donado Egan

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Sun Hat Kate descending onto Egan picked

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a honda lice tooth Egan so I said good

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people I'm happy to be here with you

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today I am Alaska Native Haida of the

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Eagleman idea of the fish egg house and

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in my introduction I always introduce

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myself as a Haida scientist as a way of

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encouraging students of diversity to see

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themselves as both their racial and

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in my community

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well my height a name is Dawson wha and

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before you leave you're gonna have to

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say it for we let you out the doors my

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elders named me that it means laughing

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lady because I laugh loud and they said

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it brings them joy and when my auntie

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named me she kind of gave me the side

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eye and looked at me and she said but

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I've seen you with your students so I'm

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gonna name you koleda as well so I'm

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laughing lady who will sit you down when

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you need it so that's my height a name

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my English name is Wendy Smythe and in

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my community as in many indigenous and

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culturally diverse communities were not

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known as individuals that's only in

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academia we have to be were an

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individual but I told you when I meet

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people I have to tell them who my family

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is so I told you that I'm the daughter

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of Donna Douglas the granddaughter of

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Alec and Ruth Douglas the

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great-granddaughter of Sam and Elsie

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great-great-great-great granddaughter of

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Hut and Kate and my people come from

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Heidelberg Alaska so I'm gonna talk

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today if you can read that anybody want

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to read that no it says the clean guy

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clicky yeah I Goggin I am a Haida

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scientist I'm an observer of the world

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and I'm going to talk about fostering

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inclusive education practices from K

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through 12 into funding agencies but

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first I would like to do a land

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acknowledgement we are on native land of

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the Duwamish people which include the

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Nisqually Samish coastal Salish and

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Skagit people and I want to acknowledge

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that they've been here for ten thousand

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years or more and that thank them for

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allowing me to speak my language on

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their land and share my culture on their

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land do you huh dog it and I am Haida

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I'm going to tell you briefly who I am

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where I'm from and then we're gonna take

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a canoe journey together this is my

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family oh oh that's not my family

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hang on let me go back this is my

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great-great-great

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great-great-grandfather Chiefs on a Hut

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and his family this is my great

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grandmother she always had that

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expression on her face even as a little

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girl she taught me how to crochet and

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she would always rip it all out and do

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it again so she taught me a lesson every

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time these people read this this is

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thirteen year old me in Heidelberg

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Alaska with these amazingly large

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glasses playing Atari in an awesome

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rainbow unicorn shirt that tells you how

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old I am i played atari this person

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never imagined ever imagined that she

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would be a cultural practitioner in her

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community a scientist a geoscientist an

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oceanographer she never imagined that

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she would be an activist getting the

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honor and the ability to march with the

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native peoples climate march daca and

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women's rights never and most

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importantly I never imagined that I

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would be able to go home to my community

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and mentor the next generation of our

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people into science and technology

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engineering and math that's a brief bit

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of Who I am this is where I'm from

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mrs. Heidelberg this is a bit of who we

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are our culture is still alive our

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language is still alive we have two

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people who speak our language fluently

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we're trying to work in to reclaim that

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and I'll talk more about that but this

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is where I'm from

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this is where I grew up when I left

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Alaska I knew what Ravens and eagles and

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boats sounded like and I moved to

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Portland Oregon and didn't leave the

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house for two years until my sister

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who's in the front here moved moved down

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there and drugged me on the house

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because it's terrifying and that's

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something I'm going to talk about as a

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stressor for students what I do

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I'm a geoscientist I work in groundwater

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ecosystems looking at iron II manganese

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biomineralization biogeochemical cycling

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I work in native education coupling STEM

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disciplines with traditional knowledge

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culture and language for k-12 education

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and never in a million years what did I

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ever think I would end up working in the

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federal government and policy that's

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what I've been doing the last two years

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and it's been challenging and rewarding

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at the same time but I want to convince

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you today that a stirrer biology in

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traditional ways of knowing have a lot

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of commonalities we have a lot of

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misconceptions of what we're talking

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there's a lot of misconceptions of what

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we're talking about when we talk about

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traditional knowledge and when we're

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having these conversations about what is

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the differences I came up with cultural

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and scientific differences that it's all

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valid it's just how mainstream society

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perceives what we're doing right is

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there value in traditional knowledge and

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what does astrobiology mean most people

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know what it means based on what they

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get from TV or movies right and there's

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a fear there's a fear that we're gonna

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find something and we're not going to be

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the only ones here we have our own

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language when you talk in your

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discipline you have your own language

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and when you talk across discipline you

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use different words it's the same we

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have different language we

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have different words so there's some

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commonalities and so through this

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journey I want to encourage you to find

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if there's something in here that you

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can take to increase diversity in

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discipline that's in my next slide in

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discipline or human human diversity

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gender diversity enriches our life it

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puts us at the leading edge of

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technology if we all see the same thing

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we're not getting anywhere an example I

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like to use is in Alaska we have these

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amazing you probably have them here too

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cedar logs and if we say that this is in

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your lab in your research that cedar log

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is your hypothesis question or problem

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something you need to solve and I can

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survey this room what would you do with

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this cedar log some people would make

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firewood some people would build a house

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build furniture and someone else will

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build a canoe we're water people we

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build canoes out of cedar logs but

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there's different ways of approaching

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these problems and the beauty and

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diversity allows us to do this more

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effectively and quicker but the issue

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with the diversity also is we always

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have the promise right we're going to

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recruit you and it's gonna be amazing

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you're gonna have a fabulous career

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you're going to publish you're gonna

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learn you're gonna do all this amazing

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stuff but the reality is when we recruit

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our students the retention is the

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problem they end up isolated on a broken

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bridge alone and that's a stressor and

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we have to learn to address that within

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our disciplines and when we engage

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diverse communities so that's some

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background information so now we're

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going to take this canoe journey

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together and so as we go through the

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slides each step along this way that

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pictures blurry for a reason and as I

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move through my career and move through

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this journey it became more in focus of

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what I was doing and why so I started

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with Alaska native education and I did

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that because I was the only Haida

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I went to Asus the American India

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Science and Engineering Society

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conference in 2008 and there was no

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other height of their and I was Desiree

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disappointing and I decided that we were

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gonna we're gonna change this so I went

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home and started just working in the

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community working with the tribe asking

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what do they need it's working with them

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not on them there's a difference in how

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we approach communities right

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we've been worked on a lot this time to

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partner with and work with and that

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takes a lifelong learning just like you

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want to learn and you constantly stay

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up-to-date on your research and the

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techniques and methods it's the same way

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with diversity you have to continually

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learn you don't get a certificate and

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instantly know and know it the rest of

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your life so we started this program

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with the objective of creating

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culturally aligned STEM education for

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k-12 students while providing cultural

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background for practitioners for the

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teachers in an ethical and culturally

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responsible way and our stakeholders

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were our students our teachers and

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administrators and the community in the

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school they're in the community of

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hydaburg there's 350 people 101 of those

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are students in K through 12 when we

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started their program they had no how-to

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language in the school when I was in

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school we had had a language in art when

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I went back it was gone

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so we started bringing that back into

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the school and now they do from 6 to

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12th grade they have a Haida language

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all the teachers are non native they

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come and they teach they leave and that

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sets up a power dynamic within the

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school where the students pick their

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parents against the teachers you don't

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know who I am it's us in them and that

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is not a productive learning environment

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for the students so we're designing

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curriculum with our culture and

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knowledge in there is given these

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teachers an advantage in Alaska

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unfortunately it's like the Wild West

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for school for education there's not

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really any standards you can do whatever

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you want pretty much what you want in

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the classroom and that can be really

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great because you can do some very

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innovative amazing curriculum and

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education projects with your students or

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you can pretty much let them

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TV and do whatever they want which is

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what was happening emphasis on was this

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year we opened our first immersion I

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told you there's only two fluent

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speakers of our language we opened our

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first immersion school called hum

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tonight it's three through five year old

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is our first generation in a hundred

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years who speak height as their first

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language there's two speakers that teach

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at the school and there's five

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apprentices in the idea what we're

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hoping to do is taking the work that

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we've done with the education the

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science education and developing and

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growing the language by giving a science

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glossary to the elders to develop work

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we had no word for computer we had no

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word for bacteria you have to grow up so

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we're growing the language and we're

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reclaiming it at the same time the

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apprentices are going to get their

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teaching certificate and teach these

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kids all through school they're going to

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learn and heighten hopefully that's the

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goal we're also currently working to my

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dream the reason I went back got my PhD

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was to start a tribal college in Alaska

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and we're getting a little bit closer

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every day last year we got the land now

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we're working to get accreditation and

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the funding to build the facility but we

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have to before we start doing any

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curriculum or teaching we have to know

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what these students are going to face

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and those perceptions of self can I be a

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scientist I can tell you 13-year old me

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didn't think that the environment is so

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different that's a stressor that we

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often don't consider because we live in

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a society where we're not isolated is

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there support from the community keep in

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mind if you're let me say I don't want

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to single anybody out but if you're 60

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year older in your lifetime it was

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illegal for me to speak Haida and

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practice my culture the community

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my mother is 70 she was in the boarding

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school generation boarding school trauma

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that historical trauma is alive and well

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in Indian country so that what that does

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is gives a perception in a lot of

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communities that education is bad it's

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gonna damage you it's gonna hurt you're

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gonna lose your culture you're going to

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get abused you're gonna get hurt so we

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have to change

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that culture within the community of

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what getting an education means and if

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your community your family doesn't

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support you you're not going to succeed

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knowledgebase again I told you about the

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standards alignment in the state we're

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working on that but are they up to par

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when they want to go to college I can

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tell you we're not it took me nine years

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to get an associate's degree and six

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years when I got up to par to get my PhD

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it takes time to catch up

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financial even if the grants and

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scholarships are there if the parents

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don't know where to look and the

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students don't know where to look

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they're not going to apply and that

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money means nothing the expectations so

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I can go in there and tell a student

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you're going to be a scientist and they

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can go off to school and the reality is

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very different you don't just walk in

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and walk out with a degree you have to

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put the work in you've got to do the

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chemistry the biology you got to do all

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these classes and they not prepared for

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that school resources and that comes

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from P eyes I think when you're

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recruiting diverse students are you

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prepared for the need of that student

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and tokenism I think that is one of the

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most damaging things that is not thought

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about and I say that because I am I

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represent my family right now I'm

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speaking to you as a hadass woman I'm

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representing my community I can tell you

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time and time again that I have had p

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eyes tell me I couldn't be a scientist

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there were my mentors you can't be a

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scientist but I want to put you on this

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grant I want to work in your community

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but you're not a scientist I just need

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you so now you're asking me that you put

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me in a moral dilemma you put your

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students in a moral dilemma of choosing

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to move forward in their career and be

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successful or use their community and

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their family to get you ahead and it's

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not thought of like that but we have to

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start thinking of what we're asking our

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students to do and our early career

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faculty to do don't just put someone on

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there to get the grant put them on there

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because they're going to enrich and help

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so what we did we reimagined STEM

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education I call it the we used a new

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approach I often call recruitment and

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retention recruitment specifically the

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hit and run approach we find a student

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there doing fabulous I'm going to

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recruit you not considering the needs of

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that student to have the ties with their

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family the obligations they have in the

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summertime a lot of students have to go

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harvest that's not considered so when we

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went in and this was in my own community

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I had to work two years with my elders

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to get permission to teach in the school

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so think of how it is when you go from

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outside you're outside the community

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trying to work with them it's a little

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difficult but we started with the elders

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we worked through the community and it

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we finally got to where students work

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with us

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and are going to school and we'll talk

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about that in a minute

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we keep the community involved we have a

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Science Fair every year the students do

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presentations it's their only time ever

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doing a public presentation I bring

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seven to eight scientists up from any

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field if they want to come they contact

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me we do an interview we talk about the

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environment what they what isn't can it

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can't be done they come in and do

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hands-on demonstrations so that the

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community the students get this

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enrichment that they wouldn't have seen

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before

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we stop talking about science is one

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thing getting to do the hands-on part is

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another we also brought in native

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mentors and I say I failed my students

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in the beginning because the first two

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or three years I only brought in on

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natives because I really wanted pis and

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graduate students to understand what it

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was like to work with our communities

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but I wasn't giving the students what

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they needed they needed Native mentors

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and once I realized that and I'll show

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you that the impact that had I'm in a

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couple slides so I started bringing

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engineers educators cultural

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practitioners up and doing work with us

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now we've had 40 students go to aces I'm

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not the only one there

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we've worked across inter tribal

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collaborations and I do that and what I

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like to talk about with that is

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sometimes I'm the only native you're

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going to meet

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and I represent every native person an

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Indian as an Indian as an Indian and

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that's simply not true there are 567

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federally recognized tribes 220 in a

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state of Alaska we have a similarity a

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commonality where sovereign nations we

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have our own IRB s

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we have our own protocols for working

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with our communities but that is

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as we move farther along the canoe

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journey we started working with the

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students was going good students are

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engaged now teachers are engaged we

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started talking to teachers and they

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said I just don't know what to do the

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students are pitting their family

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against me I don't know what to do I'm

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like this is the first time in their

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life they're the only non-native in the

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room it's the first time and they're

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there for nine months what do they do

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they stay home they go to work and they

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stay home so we develop curriculum in a

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nested approach using culture language

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elders the needs of the community

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place-based

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project-based learning two points two

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reasons to do that one was to give the

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students they know their culture they

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know our creation story they know our

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stories but they don't see science in it

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when you ask them what do you know

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they hunched over I don't know anything

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tell me where you fish and we start

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mapping it out and then tying science

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into it you see this complete change and

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how they perceive themselves

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oh where I go fishing there's ecology

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ocean chemistry biology there's

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everything involved in that so it's so

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for they can see the validity of our

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knowledge system and how it allows them

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to be a scientist for the teachers we

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needed to give them some information

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that they weren't getting and that was

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giving them traditional stories so we

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did five curriculum chapters all with

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traditional story each story goes from K

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through 12 there's a curriculum module

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at each story so as that student moves

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through school they see another piece of

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science in examples our creation who

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sees that's our next slide yes

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our creation story talks about where we

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came from it's grounded in spirituality

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supernatural beings where we came from

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but we tied that into evolution and

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taught evolution using that story using

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culture engage the students and engage

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the teachers and an example of that is

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we've if you've taught if you ta tour

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taught students before or high school

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kids what do they do when you start

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talking them about pH and chemistry not

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enough right see that head jerk over and

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over glazed over they start having these

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distracting behaviors because if you're

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distracted by what I'm doing you're not

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going to call on me to answer your

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question so we started another way

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reimagining stem and I said okay we

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weave with spruce roots tell me what you

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know about it and again we made the list

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you have to have a certain type of

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beachwear to get the roots the soil has

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to have a certain acidity okay why then

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they go through it acidic soil makes the

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roots stringy and they take they break

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and you can't weave so let me start

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tying and coupling that with geology

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algebra to weave chemistry botany we tie

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it all in and we developed these

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curriculum modules this is what they

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look like this is oh sorry I hit the

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climate change using totem poles for

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dendrochronology ocean acidification

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using shift worms as indicators of

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environmental health right here and here

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and there's this project along the

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students have been doing for nine years

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the data that they got from this project

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was turned over to the tribe and the

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tribe got a three million dollar grant

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from the state of Alaska for remediation

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of their marina they're doing science

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within their community for the benefit

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of their community and we're also doing

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workforce development as well as

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creating jobs for these students when

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they if they decide not to go to school

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that's fine they have a job in the

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so we created science learning

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opportunities through the science fair

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place-based learning conferences are

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extremely important that's their one

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time to go three to five days outside

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this community and come to Seattle New

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Mexico wherever wherever the conference

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is held and they get that little bit of

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exposure in a peer group where they feel

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safe and they get to go back home and

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they think through that and those

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students who have participated are the

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ones that are going to college they're

547
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:37,500
more prepared when they go they do

548
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,720
internships with us we always work do

549
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,980
their internships where one day a week

550
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:46,200
they do culture so they go and help

551
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,750
their family harvest or whatever they

552
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:50,400
have to do a culture day and they're

553
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,810
happy to do that we work

554
00:22:56,150 --> 00:22:53,520
cross-discipline whatever they want to

555
00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:56,160
learn all I tell them is if you want to

556
00:22:59,890 --> 00:22:57,270
learn something you need to tell me and

557
00:23:06,320 --> 00:22:59,900
I'll find someone who wants to teach you

558
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:06,330
inquiry-based and culturally aligned so

559
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:08,910
with the multiple ways of knowing what

560
00:23:14,150 --> 00:23:12,240
is the benefit of it well we have these

561
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:14,160
holistic knowledge systems right for

562
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:15,960
traditional ways of knowing when I talk

563
00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:18,450
about when I ask them about weaving

564
00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:20,430
they're gonna tell me all this stuff

565
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,190
about chemistry and botany and biology

566
00:23:27,410 --> 00:23:24,960
but to them it's one thing it's one

567
00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:27,420
knowledge system and that's how they

568
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:28,920
think and I know that because that's how

569
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:31,710
I would think but when they go into

570
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,170
academia what do we get and we know this

571
00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:35,820
if we're in Geoscience and astrobiology

572
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:37,830
it is very hard to work with people who

573
00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:40,170
want the pure science right because

574
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:42,630
everything's compartmentalized it has to

575
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:45,210
be just geology has to be just chemistry

576
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:46,740
and that's a different way of thinking

577
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,930
it's not a holistic way everything's not

578
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:50,820
connected and so our students struggle

579
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:53,610
to think to flip in and out of this way

580
00:23:57,530 --> 00:23:55,770
of thinking so if we can do this and

581
00:24:01,640 --> 00:23:57,540
teach them to think like this when

582
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:01,650
they're in pre-college the hope is that

583
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:04,650
they'll be able and what we've seen is

584
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:06,390
they're able to talk to two different

585
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:07,290
groups of people

586
00:24:12,380 --> 00:24:09,810
seamlessly they can talk across

587
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,390
discipline they can crop talk to their

588
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:14,760
family using holistic knowledge they can

589
00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:16,590
talk to us at the school talking in this

590
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:18,260
compartmentalized way and what that

591
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:19,850
it gives them the ability to develop

592
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:22,160
critical thinking skills earlier than

593
00:24:25,810 --> 00:24:24,110
they would have so when they go to

594
00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:25,820
college they have critical thinking

595
00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:30,200
skills and it gives them an advantage so

596
00:24:34,299 --> 00:24:32,200
the community changed what did we see

597
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:34,309
so I told you the first two or three

598
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:37,610
years what I would ask them and I do it

599
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:41,090
every year we have 75 students from 5th

600
00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:44,090
to Walt grade and what I ask them to do

601
00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:49,340
is close your eyes and I count to 10 and

602
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:51,140
then one a moment say I'm gonna say a

603
00:24:56,049 --> 00:24:52,910
word no way to write the first three

604
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:56,059
things you think of and they all kept 75

605
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:00,640
kids came up with seven words white male

606
00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:03,710
balled crazy hair you know the typical

607
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:06,520
stereotypical things we see in cartoons

608
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:09,110
in mainstream media for what a scientist

609
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:11,350
is and as far as I know in my community

610
00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:15,650
that person doesn't live there we always

611
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:17,270
say D Coogan a log and we're crazy we

612
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:18,590
have a weird sense of humor but that

613
00:25:24,419 --> 00:25:21,110
person doesn't live there so after I

614
00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:24,429
started bringing in native scientists

615
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:28,460
we asked him again in a one-year and we

616
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:32,510
saw a change now and so keep in mind 70%

617
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:34,820
of our students or female and none of

618
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:37,610
them identified as a scientist in the

619
00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:41,570
first three years now we have female we

620
00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:44,600
have native respect Yas dung is one of

621
00:25:47,409 --> 00:25:46,040
our core cultural values we teach our

622
00:25:48,909 --> 00:25:47,419
students and we teach the teachers to

623
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,919
say that too so when a kid acts up like

624
00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:50,559
you're not acting with your yacht dung

625
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:54,429
they start behaving because they know

626
00:25:57,970 --> 00:25:56,570
but the interesting thing and you know

627
00:26:01,480 --> 00:25:57,980
in a word cloud the bigger the word the

628
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:01,490
more it said the smaller the word but

629
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:07,330
the cool thing is curly hair short tall

630
00:26:14,049 --> 00:26:11,630
that is a student describing themself as

631
00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:14,059
a scientist there's only two students

632
00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:18,230
with curly hair that was amazing to me

633
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,900
to see they expanded their definition by

634
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,880
19 words but now they're saying I'm a

635
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:24,799
scientist the girls are saying I can be

636
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:27,770
a scientist that was amazing and

637
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,809
profound shift in what they thought they

638
00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:30,799
could be in what they could do with

639
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,880
their life

640
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:34,400
the other changes we saw and so I took

641
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:37,910
in the red is my cohort of students from

642
00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:40,010
the last ten years I know everybody in

643
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,740
town so I mapped out the cohort ahead of

644
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,440
them and what we saw as 19% went to

645
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:47,600
college 5% two degree completion

646
00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:49,370
right now we have 60 to 68 percent

647
00:26:53,049 --> 00:26:51,559
attending college or trade school to

648
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:53,059
just graduate with an associate's degree

649
00:26:57,310 --> 00:26:53,990
and they're going back to get their

650
00:26:58,539 --> 00:26:57,320
bachelor's we saw a shift and a lot of

651
00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:58,549
the girls were having children

652
00:27:01,330 --> 00:27:00,470
immediately in their senior year or

653
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:01,340
right after high school

654
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:03,890
that is dropped by half because they're

655
00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:07,580
going to college to me another one of

656
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:08,600
the most important things is the

657
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:12,950
addictive behavior alcoholism drug

658
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:17,090
addiction went down by 65% and that is a

659
00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:18,590
decrease that leads to a decrease in

660
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:21,380
suicide as well and so when we saw this

661
00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:24,470
shift in ideology of I have a value for

662
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:26,870
myself now I can be something I'm not

663
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:28,970
stuck here somebody's telling me I can

664
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:30,110
do something that I never thought I

665
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:32,120
could do that's the first time a lot of

666
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:37,610
them have told that so the canoes

667
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,210
getting a little bit more in focus here

668
00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:42,559
so as I noticed my students going to

669
00:27:51,149 --> 00:27:47,630
school I'm out in academia it's a party

670
00:27:52,779 --> 00:27:51,159
right when you're a grad student postdoc

671
00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:52,789
especially when you're trying to run

672
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:54,620
your own native education program and

673
00:28:03,430 --> 00:27:59,919
your PI does not want you doing that so

674
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:03,440
there were instances where I published

675
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:05,390
my first paper in native education and

676
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,710
my P I threw it across the table and

677
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:08,559
said I don't care this doesn't matter

678
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:10,250
chapter seven of your dissertation

679
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:12,260
doesn't matter I don't care just put

680
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:16,580
this on the grant we don't care to me

681
00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:20,600
that was horrifying and I realized that

682
00:28:25,779 --> 00:28:22,100
we have to make an institutional change

683
00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:25,789
in academia an industry and especially

684
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:28,580
at funding agencies because that is

685
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:29,929
where the money starts and that drives

686
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,360
policy when you give money

687
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,360
it drives policy and I don't want to

688
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:37,039
recruit these students into science and

689
00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:38,090
convince them you should vote go to

690
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:39,380
school and be a scientist and be told

691
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:42,590
what you think doesn't matter the way

692
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:44,660
you see the world doesn't matter

693
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,840
because would we've had what I say is if

694
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:50,640
you mentor isn't serving you find a new

695
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:52,860
mentor it's easier said than done I've

696
00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:54,510
had it happen over and over it's hard to

697
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,060
do because you feel like you were if you

698
00:29:02,120 --> 00:28:59,520
leave and move to a new mentor you're

699
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:02,130
gonna be tainted or talked about or

700
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:03,950
you're gonna be considered a problem

701
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:06,180
luckily for me that doesn't bother me

702
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:08,850
I'm fine with that but students are not

703
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:11,610
okay with that it is a very difficult

704
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,080
thing to do there's a power dynamic

705
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:16,320
right students an early career there's a

706
00:29:23,030 --> 00:29:20,750
power dynamic how dare you say something

707
00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:23,040
when I'm the PI and you're just a

708
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:25,950
student how dare you say something and

709
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:28,260
then we we're in the position of saying

710
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:29,970
well now I have to represent my

711
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:32,580
community what am I gonna do what am I

712
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:38,010
gonna do so I what I did we worked on

713
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:39,240
the culture and language we're having

714
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,040
this shift in our community I started

715
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:44,340
working in academia we had our first p.i

716
00:29:51,530 --> 00:29:47,130
meeting we run the field institute it is

717
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,540
NSF funded we took 30 PI's last year up

718
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:53,520
to a Colorado Mountain campus where they

719
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:55,530
had no Wi-Fi and cell signal and they

720
00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:00,600
were just thrilled but we needed to do

721
00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:02,400
that because we thought it was four days

722
00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:07,640
of bystander training native culture

723
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:14,690
african-american that was our PI group

724
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:16,710
and we're talking to people who've never

725
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:19,170
had to talk about this and I can tell

726
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:20,520
you after the first night I was really

727
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,750
threatening to get on my suitcase and

728
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:22,980
roll down that mountain because it

729
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:25,860
wasn't going well on night one but by

730
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:27,870
the end of it we had come to a mutual

731
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:30,570
understanding of what we need to we to

732
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:33,780
accept who we are we are told who we are

733
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,550
by society right we're told who people

734
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:41,760
are I've met person after person who

735
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:44,370
said oh you're just a drunk Indian I

736
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:46,230
don't like native people because they're

737
00:30:54,419 --> 00:30:50,250
drunk I don't drink

738
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:54,429
but that's who we're told we are and we

739
00:30:57,659 --> 00:30:56,110
have to change that when we're from

740
00:30:59,220 --> 00:30:57,669
diverse backgrounds we are told who we

741
00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:59,230
are and you're told who we are and you

742
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:01,330
don't see us for who we are and we had

743
00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:03,010
to sit there and explain that to people

744
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,280
who've never really thought about it

745
00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:07,440
that's not who she is

746
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:09,880
we have hyper-sexualization of Native

747
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:10,809
women with costumes

748
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:12,370
we're mascots which make us not real

749
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:14,290
people we're cartoons

750
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:17,049
we're unicorns been called a unicorn

751
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:17,770
many times

752
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:21,450
oh you're Native scientists it happens

753
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:24,220
we have to change that idea and so we we

754
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:25,720
do a workshop with that is we went

755
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:29,200
really great and we're gonna do two more

756
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:30,480
this year

757
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:33,669
institutional foundational change so I

758
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:36,610
went to NSF in my fellowship because I

759
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:39,850
wanted to see what was it wasn't getting

760
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:41,530
funded and what was the justification

761
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:43,480
what was the idea what was the thinking

762
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:44,620
what was the process of what was

763
00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:46,450
happening you're when I was in education

764
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:49,660
you're - I'm in Geoscience to get the

765
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:52,150
education and in science ideas there's

766
00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:54,190
different cultures again in education in

767
00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Geoscience and I sat and listened for

768
00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:00,730
one year and decided to start doing

769
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:03,400
workshops because people act with good

770
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:06,100
intentions but it's not always the right

771
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:09,880
thing to do and it's very hard to tell

772
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:12,580
someone thank you for doing that but

773
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:15,220
please stop just you've got to find the

774
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:18,700
right way of doing that right so I'm

775
00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:20,110
going to end this canoe journey talking

776
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:25,179
about how we did that identify the need

777
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:29,980
I needed to tell program officers who we

778
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:32,290
were because when I came in and it still

779
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,049
happens if someone gets a proposal

780
00:32:38,669 --> 00:32:36,880
focused on indigenous communities I'm

781
00:32:41,549 --> 00:32:38,679
called right away and I'm asked to

782
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:41,559
advise I don't know every tribe it's

783
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,110
really it's very like oh okay it happens

784
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,620
because they don't know anybody else

785
00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:49,120
identify the need and the need was for

786
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:51,100
training on how to evaluate indigenous

787
00:33:00,100 --> 00:32:57,850
learn the culture what was the culture

788
00:33:01,899 --> 00:33:00,110
at NSF what was the culture each

789
00:33:04,509 --> 00:33:01,909
Directorate at NSF that asked me to help

790
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:04,519
them how do I approach these people who

791
00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:06,169
have been doing their job 25 and 30

792
00:33:09,879 --> 00:33:08,029
years and saying I think we can do this

793
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:09,889
another way because I don't want to

794
00:33:14,379 --> 00:33:11,450
offend them they're trying to do the

795
00:33:15,999 --> 00:33:14,389
right thing but they've never engaged

796
00:33:17,649 --> 00:33:16,009
with a native person to say you know

797
00:33:19,419 --> 00:33:17,659
this is what native Indian country

798
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:19,429
thinks of this how can we fix this

799
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:23,450
together develop a plan on how you're

800
00:33:29,109 --> 00:33:26,389
going to do that what are you going to

801
00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:29,119
do a workshop one-on-one discussion

802
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:31,549
discussion groups internal white paper

803
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:35,200
what are you going to do and be brave

804
00:33:42,879 --> 00:33:40,129
it's not easy it's not easy what I say

805
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,889
is a I'm the only Haida in SF and they

806
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:44,720
all know because I'd run they hear me

807
00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:46,190
drumming down the hall they all know I'm

808
00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:48,679
coming but every tribes not like that

809
00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:51,499
I'm from a matriarchal tribe my auntie

810
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:54,259
always said don't ever look down no

811
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:56,419
matter what you don't ever look down you

812
00:34:00,399 --> 00:33:57,950
can cry when you get home but don't you

813
00:34:03,159 --> 00:34:00,409
look down and that's how I operate and

814
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:03,169
when I first went to NSF some of the

815
00:34:07,899 --> 00:34:05,809
most shockingly racist things were said

816
00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:07,909
to me and I had to sit there and listen

817
00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:09,560
to it I was told I was an uneducated

818
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,429
native I had to sit there and listen to

819
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:15,200
that and not say anything and not react

820
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:17,560
because when we react what do you see

821
00:34:23,319 --> 00:34:20,750
you see how I act you don't learn the

822
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:23,329
lesson when we react you see the actions

823
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:25,550
of the person who's hurt but you don't

824
00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:29,720
learn that I did something to do this be

825
00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:31,579
brave be brave enough to say something

826
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:33,470
and that's when you find your voice

827
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:38,960
a lot of peak up I understand that and

828
00:34:42,970 --> 00:34:40,310
when we're working across discipline

829
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:42,980
it's hard to have those conversations as

830
00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:46,220
to why one discipline or the other is

831
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:47,659
right or wrong or how we can work

832
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:49,490
together or not it's hard for diversity

833
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:54,079
as well facilitate change in the way

834
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:56,530
that you are comfortable doing it

835
00:35:02,140 --> 00:34:58,670
because if you're not comfortable doing

836
00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:02,150
it you're gonna stress out and you're

837
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:03,980
gonna stumble and nobody's gonna listen

838
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:05,180
to you you got to think about how you're

839
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:07,250
going to do it and facilitate change

840
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,950
however

841
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,880
best for you because you're gonna be

842
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:10,560
most effective right when you're doing

843
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:11,640
your science if you know what you're

844
00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:13,650
doing you're effective you're not gonna

845
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,460
just go do a technique you don't know

846
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,200
sometimes you might need just to see but

847
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:21,060
most the time you're going to do

848
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:22,740
something to facilitate change in a

849
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,010
response and a reason an action and

850
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,200
finally create opportunity create

851
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,480
opportunity for change and we could do

852
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:32,820
this in a positive way where we change

853
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,910
the disciplines we change how we

854
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:38,400
interact with each other we change how

855
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:40,770
we understand the world together and how

856
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:45,810
we envision the world being and finally

857
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:48,630
here's where we make friends guys I'm

858
00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:50,280
gonna ask you to stand some of your

859
00:35:59,380 --> 00:35:57,270
spread out but stand oh and if you can

860
00:36:06,170 --> 00:35:59,390
touch the person's hand next to you

861
00:36:09,260 --> 00:36:06,180
is your network these are your

862
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,270
colleagues these are your people what

863
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,359
happens up here will move through that

864
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,920
network and affect the person at the

865
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:16,160
back it takes time but it will get there

866
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,099
do you want the one or do dult quaggan

867
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,119
everything is related and we need each

868
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:23,339
other to survive we need other

869
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:24,990
disciplines to move our science forward

870
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:27,690
and we needed the human diversity to see

871
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:31,380
the world in a different way okay you

872
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:36,450
can quit making friends Howard Lanka

873
00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:39,270
loggin Insung thank you very much for

874
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:40,349
listening you have any questions

875
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:41,190
actually I were going to quickly

876
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:44,430
acknowledge the two amazing artists

877
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:47,579
Beth lepen say is at Michigan State

878
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,300
University

879
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:50,940
she Dell the space canoe images and one

880
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,550
of my favorite artists in the world

881
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:54,180
because she's my daughter

882
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,460
is Lauren Smythe and she did all the

883
00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:59,040
height of art how would the math

884
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:01,000
collabing thank you

885
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:11,900
[Applause]

886
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,870
thank you so much Wendy so the this talk

887
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:17,760
is now open for questions and there are

888
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:20,010
microphones there for microphones in the

889
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:23,750
room so please

890
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:30,440
should I ask you yes okay right here

891
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:32,760
hello I'm Anthony Chen

892
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:36,060
I appreciate your example of a weaving

893
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:39,690
of the roots wasn't it to introduce pH

894
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:44,310
acidity I was wondering how do you

895
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:47,880
integrate or bridge creation narratives

896
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:52,410
which may be emotive conscious intention

897
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:55,800
base with a physicalists paradigm yes

898
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:59,520
so creation so we did that was so

899
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:01,260
interesting you ask that right off so we

900
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:02,190
started writing the curriculum when I

901
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:03,270
was at the Center for evolution in

902
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:07,260
action and in my mind we use our

903
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:10,590
creation story and one of our people one

904
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,450
of our people freaked out because we're

905
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:14,460
talking about our creation story not

906
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:17,880
creationism as in religion so we use our

907
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:21,150
vision our story of what creation is and

908
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:23,010
then we started tying that into

909
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:24,690
evolution because the story talks about

910
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,420
Raven opening a clam and these pitiful

911
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:29,280
white clear translucent things come out

912
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:32,730
and bear gives his first so we have hair

913
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:34,620
Eagle gives his claw so we have

914
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:37,170
fingernails and still gives his flesh so

915
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:40,830
we can eat and our duty is to take care

916
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,080
of the land and the gland will take care

917
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:45,060
of us and so we started teaching that in

918
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:46,470
evolution talking about divergent

919
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,510
evolution because when you look at the

920
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:51,000
beings changing but we don't tie it into

921
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:52,650
creationism and religion is that what

922
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:54,660
you're asking we don't talk about that

923
00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:57,390
we're talking about creation from our

924
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:59,310
perspective because they had not dawned

925
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:01,260
on me at the time to do that but when we

926
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:02,970
do the lesson plan we do talk about that

927
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:04,830
we do it from the perspective of our

928
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:06,630
version of creation does that answer

929
00:39:18,999 --> 00:39:15,099
yeah um it strikes me when I listen to

930
00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:19,009
you that what you had was the benefit of

931
00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:21,319
time because you really were working in

932
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:23,539
the community with the children what

933
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,210
would you recommend for someone who does

934
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:28,880
volunteer work and reaches out going

935
00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:33,049
into communities obviously I'm white go

936
00:39:38,529 --> 00:39:34,940
into communities where children are poor

937
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:38,539
and of different ethnic groups are there

938
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:40,670
things that you can suggest where you're

939
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:43,190
going into they're established schools

940
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:45,650
yeah it should be more effective yeah

941
00:39:50,769 --> 00:39:48,650
one is have an ally there's always

942
00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:50,779
there's a contact that anchors you into

943
00:39:57,339 --> 00:39:54,950
that environment number one number like

944
00:39:59,380 --> 00:39:57,349
I said it was my own community took two

945
00:40:02,109 --> 00:39:59,390
years I had a friend someone I grew up

946
00:40:03,819 --> 00:40:02,119
with who was the mayor and the

947
00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:03,829
environmental planner small community he

948
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,069
does both he hosted us there until

949
00:40:10,539 --> 00:40:08,720
people were more comfortable they

950
00:40:12,579 --> 00:40:10,549
remembered me from being a kid but I was

951
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:12,589
a brat and they're like oh why she back

952
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:18,249
but what is she gonna do now yeah

953
00:40:22,479 --> 00:40:21,410
but having that Ally on the ground that

954
00:40:25,539 --> 00:40:22,489
you can work with and then the other

955
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:25,549
thing I would say patience it takes time

956
00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:28,220
to build those relationships there's an

957
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:29,509
excerpt of one of the first questions I

958
00:40:32,529 --> 00:40:30,710
was asked is how much sorry are you

959
00:40:33,819 --> 00:40:32,539
trying to do this what are you getting

960
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:33,829
paid to be here and are you gonna leave

961
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:36,049
when the money runs out that is always

962
00:40:40,739 --> 00:40:39,470
in the mind of these groups what what

963
00:40:44,979 --> 00:40:40,749
are you gonna do what are you here for

964
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:44,989
so patience and persistence so the

965
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:48,039
anchor person to host you and facilitate

966
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:51,410
patience and persistence and active

967
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:52,700
learning again active learning for

968
00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:56,900
diversity initiatives how do you handle

969
00:41:01,599 --> 00:40:59,480
the language problem you have a visitor

970
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,609
come in who's a specialist in some

971
00:41:08,259 --> 00:41:04,640
special scientific area they don't know

972
00:41:10,539 --> 00:41:08,269
the native language mm-hmm so with the

973
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:10,549
language what we did is so in the last

974
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:12,170
five years we've lost all our elders who

975
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,210
spoke fluent Haida because they're 1991

976
00:41:21,049 --> 00:41:17,520
a hundred years old we had one young man

977
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:21,059
who took the time he quit college and he

978
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:23,220
lived in Heidelberg with his Janu and

979
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:25,710
father to learn hide up so he's fluent

980
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:28,890
now we have two people who Simon Fraser

981
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:30,660
University in Vancouver Canada has a

982
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:33,089
northern Haida dialect for our dialect

983
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:35,550
they got a master's degree and so now

984
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,170
they are in the community teaching and

985
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,540
so we're doing it through the immersion

986
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:41,520
school but the other thing we did is we

987
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:43,260
made a glossary of science terms when we

988
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,569
had our elders and we put they wanted

989
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:47,280
two or three two or three trying to

990
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,020
explain a computer two or three words

991
00:41:54,349 --> 00:41:51,750
they wanted a simple definition so that

992
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,359
they could build words and we were only

993
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:57,119
doing it to try to add that to a

994
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,730
glossary but what happened was the young

995
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:02,160
man who's now teaching Lahaina he

996
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:04,710
learned how to build words so now he can

997
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,250
facilitate adding science terms so we're

998
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:10,140
we do Haida language classes I'm on the

999
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,220
board of directors for our language

1000
00:42:15,799 --> 00:42:13,440
reclamation for community we have adult

1001
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,809
learning we have children intermediate

1002
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:17,160
learning we have the preschool learners

1003
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,609
and a very interesting thing in

1004
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:23,760
September when we started hosted and

1005
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:25,650
opened this hunting eye immersion

1006
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:29,849
program 17 year olds did not want that

1007
00:42:35,539 --> 00:42:32,760
program they were not allowed to speak

1008
00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:35,549
hiden they were beaten for speaking

1009
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:37,799
Haida they were punished for speaking up

1010
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:39,569
so it was a fear that they didn't know

1011
00:42:43,789 --> 00:42:42,210
they had but now it's changing and we're

1012
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:43,799
trying to continue that change and with

1013
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:46,049
the babies speaking Hina noun there's

1014
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:47,670
not a lot of choice there they're

1015
00:42:51,319 --> 00:42:49,020
learning it and they're getting more

1016
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:51,329
comfortable with it but it was a slow

1017
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:52,980
process and it takes time that's a hard

1018
00:43:00,760 --> 00:42:57,599
language to speak and it's it takes time

1019
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,770
it's very it's all in here yeah it hurts

1020
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,079
it hurts to speak it but we're just

1021
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:07,020
trying day by day offering classes and

1022
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,490
encouraging and one of the other things

1023
00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:10,140
I did is a lot of our youth were

1024
00:43:13,089 --> 00:43:11,790
embarrassed to speak Haida because

1025
00:43:15,490 --> 00:43:13,099
they're only in the community together

1026
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:15,500
so when I bring colleagues that are

1027
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,910
Dannette pueblos Anishinaabe they speak

1028
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:23,400
their language but they're in there

1029
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,050
they're connected they're not

1030
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:27,480
Rhode Island in Alaska there you know

1031
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:28,620
there on the continent United States

1032
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,970
they know people speak their language in

1033
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:31,740
their community in English outside of it

1034
00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:33,630
so when I bring these colleagues up I

1035
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,620
ask them to introduce themselves

1036
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,780
initially in their language and that

1037
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:38,640
made a difference to for students being

1038
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:44,010
proud and not ashamed to speak hi-de-hi

1039
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:45,990
when do some early on also from Michigan

1040
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,140
State so go green I had a question if

1041
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:52,260
you were kind of go 50,000 foot view

1042
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:54,390
where the u.s. is obviously a very

1043
00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:56,100
multicultural society and science

1044
00:44:01,400 --> 00:43:59,070
discourse is very needed nowadays so if

1045
00:44:02,810 --> 00:44:01,410
we were to kind of examine some of those

1046
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:02,820
lessons that you've learned what would

1047
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:05,090
you draw on as far as solutions for

1048
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,110
communicating some of these same things

1049
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:09,900
to a society that may have the same

1050
00:44:13,070 --> 00:44:11,490
language but very different

1051
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,080
philosophical differences or very

1052
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:15,240
different vocabularies in terms of

1053
00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:17,010
discussing some of these scientific

1054
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:19,080
problems or philosophical problems or

1055
00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:20,330
even when you have clashes between

1056
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:23,340
creationism and non creationism how do

1057
00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:24,810
you approach that tactfully and

1058
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,620
compassionately

1059
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:27,420
so you mean cross discipline discussions

1060
00:44:34,610 --> 00:44:30,390
yeah yeah oh boy okay be brave and find

1061
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,620
your voice no you know the you approach

1062
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:36,540
it the same way I would approach it the

1063
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:38,910
same way of you know we have to

1064
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:40,920
acknowledge in academia that each

1065
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:44,010
discipline has a language it has a

1066
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,110
culture and there's a there's a way of

1067
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:48,960
thinking about the world and sometimes

1068
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:51,810
that's really hard to express across

1069
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,850
discipline but we have to do it

1070
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:55,560
especially in interdisciplinary Sciences

1071
00:44:59,300 --> 00:44:58,050
with Geoscience and astrobiology because

1072
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:59,310
we can't all just look at one thing

1073
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,570
because we're not going to find anything

1074
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:01,920
if we do we're gonna stare at the same

1075
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,350
dot right so finding a way I find that

1076
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:09,630
advocate again to have that change and

1077
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,870
talk about it publicly because we if we

1078
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:14,460
don't talk about it and we don't bring

1079
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:15,690
attention to it we're not gonna

1080
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:17,730
acknowledge it and change it I think

1081
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:19,950
there was a talk I went to yesterday the

1082
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:23,010
diversity talk where what do we do when

1083
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,540
we're in an uncomfortable situation we

1084
00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:26,880
laugh or walk away uh-huh okay I don't

1085
00:45:29,090 --> 00:45:28,320
know what you mean and walk away we have

1086
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,100
to stay there and have those

1087
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:30,720
conversations and we can do that

1088
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,810
respectfully and in a respectful way

1089
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:35,460
with each other

1090
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:38,040
that's because I've been in departments

1091
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,290
where we were astrobiology group you're

1092
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:41,760
in a geology department it was a hostile

1093
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:43,080
environment they did not want

1094
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,390
astrobiology people in that department

1095
00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:46,980
it was a pure science that we were

1096
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:49,620
tainting that science you have to have

1097
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:51,540
those discussions and sometimes people

1098
00:45:55,310 --> 00:45:53,670
aren't willing to listen and then you

1099
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:55,320
just wait you find another ally to work

1100
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,910
with and you can facilitate change

1101
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,160
outside your department

1102
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:00,720
that's what I've been able to do in some

1103
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:02,730
instances as well it's not easy

1104
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:04,230
it sounds easy talking about it it's not

1105
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:05,910
easy because you have to go back into

1106
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:08,280
that department every day right and face

1107
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:09,480
those people who do not want to talk

1108
00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:11,340
about what you do and they want to stick

1109
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:13,080
with just their language and culture and

1110
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:17,580
not acknowledge this one Kathy Oh first

1111
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,620
off I just want to thank you for coming

1112
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:21,180
here and sharing your personal

1113
00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:23,160
experience from such a vulnerable point

1114
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:27,120
and secondly you had mentioned during

1115
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:29,370
your talk that you sometimes come across

1116
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:31,170
these instances where people who are

1117
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:33,570
trying to help and are well-meaning do

1118
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:35,130
things that you really wish they didn't

1119
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:36,450
do and I was wondering if you could kind

1120
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:38,990
of speak to some of these common

1121
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,430
problems that you see when well-meaning

1122
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:43,200
people try to do outreach in communities

1123
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:46,620
like this yes are you talking about okay

1124
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,330
so I can start up and work my way down

1125
00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:50,220
okay I can do that if I'm off the track

1126
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:53,550
let me know so first of all so at the

1127
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:55,890
funding agency and I'll say the funding

1128
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:57,210
agency I know there's several others I

1129
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:58,140
can't speak for them

1130
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,640
but we talk they talk about portfolio

1131
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:01,800
diversity we have this broadening

1132
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:04,230
participation of agenda initiative

1133
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,560
agenda at NSF so now when diverse

1134
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:09,780
proposals come in oh I have a native

1135
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,090
proposal I'm gonna fund it if we don't

1136
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:14,970
know what it's about

1137
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:16,650
we're just gonna fund it anyway because

1138
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,410
we need that portfolio diversity but we

1139
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,540
can't keep working that way we can't

1140
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:24,240
keep moving forward that way so ask me

1141
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:25,950
again because I was on a path and I got

1142
00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:31,470
lost so I guess I was trying to see like

1143
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:34,320
these things that we do when we do

1144
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,820
outreach that

1145
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:37,560
yes you really wish we didn't do or we

1146
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:39,870
did them by different okay sorry yeah so

1147
00:47:44,810 --> 00:47:42,090
we want the diversity but we can't take

1148
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:44,820
everything we have to learn about it so

1149
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:45,930
if we're gonna work with the community

1150
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:47,910
and I speak only for native people I

1151
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:49,770
have colleagues in other areas of

1152
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:51,600
diversity but I can't speak to that

1153
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,150
because I don't I don't live that life

1154
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,710
they speak it and I can help them and

1155
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:57,540
agree with them but we have to be able

1156
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,060
to have those conversations and we have

1157
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:02,460
to be able to be willing to learn we

1158
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:04,110
have to be willing to say you know what

1159
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:07,050
I didn't realize I had this issue with

1160
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:08,510
this community

1161
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:11,610
maybe I should interact differently it

1162
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:13,530
was hard to do we're so busy we don't

1163
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:14,940
think about how we're interacting with

1164
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:16,530
people all we see is that they keep

1165
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:19,230
walking away right they don't want us to

1166
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:22,260
work here but why why ask those

1167
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:24,600
questions is why and what can I do to

1168
00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:26,910
help you because there's a lot of

1169
00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:29,190
working on native people we've been

1170
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:30,870
worked on over and over again

1171
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,430
we've been worked on and worked on it

1172
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:35,160
worked on but not with work with people

1173
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:38,250
and be really sincere about it and it

1174
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:40,760
takes time to learn and that's okay

1175
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,560
we're gonna make mistakes but we're

1176
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:45,000
still trying to learn in the open and

1177
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:46,110
willing to let I'm gonna walk off the

1178
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:48,930
edge of the stage they open I'll just

1179
00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:51,810
keep rolling be open and willing to

1180
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:54,750
learn and but also it's it's hard when

1181
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:56,040
someone says you know you're not doing

1182
00:49:00,080 --> 00:48:57,900
that can we talk about how you're

1183
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,090
engaging this community and you have we

1184
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,680
just can't be offended by it

1185
00:49:04,310 --> 00:49:03,420
because there's different ways of

1186
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:04,320
interacting with several different

1187
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:07,650
communities right a community from one

1188
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,980
state one tribe and another tribe have

1189
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:13,520
totally different ways of interacting

1190
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:18,330
does that answer yeah um I'm reminded I

1191
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,890
belong to NPR sicom we mostly hang out

1192
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:24,540
on slack and her people do a lot of

1193
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:27,090
things and the diversity group

1194
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:29,100
introduced us there's a book called

1195
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:31,830
white fragility that sort of makes me

1196
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:36,360
gag but so I was sorry to hear about NSF

1197
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:38,510
culture and I wondered if it is changing

1198
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:40,710
Gooding that's what I hope it's change I

1199
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,630
I don't I I go home and cry one day and

1200
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,940
then I'm back yeah yeah I'm back on the

1201
00:49:47,049 --> 00:49:45,680
drum you know

1202
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:47,059
and that's why that's why we do the

1203
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:48,440
workshops though is to bring that out

1204
00:49:55,630 --> 00:49:51,380
and create other program officers that

1205
00:49:57,309 --> 00:49:55,640
can address that thank you yeah it's not

1206
00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:57,319
just one found it's everywhere and we

1207
00:50:02,950 --> 00:49:58,430
just don't think of how we say things

1208
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:02,960
and how it can be offensive right yeah I

1209
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,430
don't you I love it there it's great

1210
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,740
it's great there it's just we have these

1211
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:08,240
ingrained cultures within academia

1212
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,609
within departments within institutions

1213
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:12,640
and foundations that we we're so busy

1214
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:15,170
going this way we don't look we're

1215
00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:17,569
myopic we look at one thing and we don't

1216
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:19,160
see everything else that's happening and

1217
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:20,630
how we're impacting people in

1218
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:23,829
communities we don't see that and

1219
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:25,849
bringing that to the attention of people

1220
00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:28,369
is the only way being brave and having a

1221
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:30,500
voice and saying you know what one of my

1222
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:33,770
things DC come on they have the Redskins

1223
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,000
and NSF wants to be inclusive of

1224
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:41,359
everybody when I'm walking around and I

1225
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:43,220
seen these logos and people's cubicles

1226
00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:44,900
and offices I don't feel like that's a

1227
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:48,440
welcoming environment because of the

1228
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:50,630
Hatch Act we can't require people not to

1229
00:50:55,089 --> 00:50:53,000
put that up but what I've asked NSF to

1230
00:50:58,059 --> 00:50:55,099
do is say if you want to be a truly

1231
00:51:01,420 --> 00:50:58,069
inclusive environment ask people to

1232
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,430
please take it down you don't have to

1233
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:03,440
but please consider what you're showing

1234
00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:06,529
and it's such a normal thing to have

1235
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:08,869
mascots and costumes

1236
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:11,150
we're depicted as not real what cartoons

1237
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:13,010
or this or that we're selling fireworks

1238
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,329
over here and we're drunk over here

1239
00:51:18,849 --> 00:51:16,880
that's not who we are but that's what

1240
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:18,859
we're that's what you're told we are and

1241
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:21,079
so it's hard to change that way of

1242
00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:23,660
thinking and I think that addresses what

1243
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,880
your what you were asking as well as how

1244
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:27,920
are these communities identified and how

1245
00:51:30,579 --> 00:51:29,480
are we interacting with them because we

1246
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:30,589
interact in the way that we're taught

1247
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:32,510
and sometimes I don't think about it is

1248
00:51:36,279 --> 00:51:33,970
it's one those things we have to do this

1249
00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:36,289
internal examination what do I think of

1250
00:51:42,370 --> 00:51:38,839
these people and why do I think this but

1251
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:42,380
it's changing and I think with the first

1252
00:51:45,549 --> 00:51:43,849
workshop I was terrified

1253
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:45,559
I'm gonna have I had a hundred and one

1254
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:47,150
program officers sign up to come I only

1255
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:51,410
expected 20 and I was terrified we're

1256
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:52,730
talking about tribal policy we're

1257
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:54,980
talking about sovereignty we're talking

1258
00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:56,050
about you know

1259
00:52:02,460 --> 00:51:59,140
the best example I can give you and that

1260
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:02,470
I use is if someone in the talking

1261
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:04,420
pretend you're NSF program officer

1262
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:06,250
you're a federal employee and I say hey

1263
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:08,320
I'm from France and I want to come to

1264
00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:09,790
NSF and I want to go through all your

1265
00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:13,360
data and see what you're doing you don't

1266
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:15,940
have to get me a VM it's coming you

1267
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:16,810
can't do that

1268
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:18,220
there's legalities there's ways of

1269
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:19,930
coming in that's the same working with

1270
00:52:23,609 --> 00:52:20,950
Indian country they are sovereign

1271
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:23,619
nations and you have to go through the

1272
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,330
right community member cannot grant you

1273
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:28,240
access to the tribe it has to be a

1274
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:30,700
tribal leader and the leadership that

1275
00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:32,650
allows you access and that's what we

1276
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:33,940
were having happen is people were

1277
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:35,350
getting these million-dollar grants

1278
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:37,330
showing up at the tribe the tribe was

1279
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:38,170
like nope

1280
00:52:43,859 --> 00:52:39,840
and tried to have the right to say no

1281
00:52:44,850 --> 00:52:43,869
they have the right to say no and so

1282
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,860
that's one of the things that we talk

1283
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:46,720
about and work with program officers so

1284
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:48,040
now they have a CH and then they asked

1285
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:50,950
for a checklist they went well we have

1286
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:52,450
to be very careful there's legal terms

1287
00:52:55,859 --> 00:52:53,890
right that we can't use I can't call it

1288
00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:55,869
a guideline because that implies a

1289
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,460
mandate but we can call it a

1290
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:00,160
recommendation and so we made this very

1291
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:01,810
broad recommendation of when you get an

1292
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:04,210
indigenous focused proposal here are a

1293
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:07,020
few things to consider but again there's

1294
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:09,940
567 federally recognized tribes and

1295
00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:12,190
several hundred more non readily

1296
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:14,080
recognized we're not all going to have

1297
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:15,670
the same protocol but it's a place to

1298
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:18,490
start and that's all I can ask for is

1299
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:19,990
within two years I've been able to get

1300
00:53:24,030 --> 00:53:21,550
program officers to say yeah you know

1301
00:53:25,770 --> 00:53:24,040
what let's try this another way because

1302
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:25,780
they didn't have to do that they could

1303
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:27,190
have been very angry with me and walked

1304
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:28,810
out of the room but they invited us to

1305
00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:30,430
do a second workshop and they asked for

1306
00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:31,960
this recommendation because I think

1307
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,420
there's a culture shift and a

1308
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:36,400
recognition that we need to do this to

1309
00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:39,730
really be truly innovative and impactful

1310
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:48,949
she was sorry I keep feeling like she

1311
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:52,650
was reversed oh sorry hi um I'm Alan

1312
00:53:57,439 --> 00:53:56,130
Silas Valdez I'm a graduate student so

1313
00:53:59,799 --> 00:53:57,449
you mentioned when you were a graduate

1314
00:54:02,120 --> 00:53:59,809
student you were doing all of this work

1315
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,130
not necessarily with your adviser

1316
00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:04,559
approving and I'm finding that a lot of

1317
00:54:11,689 --> 00:54:08,669
the work to make our systems more

1318
00:54:13,669 --> 00:54:11,699
welcoming to diverse populations are

1319
00:54:18,709 --> 00:54:13,679
being done by the people affected by it

1320
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:18,719
themselves and so that I think leads to

1321
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:20,849
the retention problem that we're having

1322
00:54:26,269 --> 00:54:23,249
because you have students getting burnt

1323
00:54:28,249 --> 00:54:26,279
out you know all of this but the reason

1324
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:28,259
I'm bringing this up is because the

1325
00:54:33,799 --> 00:54:31,079
field program that you mentioned were

1326
00:54:35,959 --> 00:54:33,809
your training pis sounds like a way to

1327
00:54:39,739 --> 00:54:35,969
avoid this if we could have more people

1328
00:54:41,209 --> 00:54:39,749
just trained and how to properly support

1329
00:54:44,659 --> 00:54:41,219
someone from an underrepresented

1330
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:44,669
background so I'm wondering if you know

1331
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:47,369
of more of these programs where could

1332
00:54:53,779 --> 00:54:50,579
one find a program like this I do yeah

1333
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:53,789
so NSF Geoscience came out with the gold

1334
00:54:57,279 --> 00:54:56,579
golden and if you google that and I'm

1335
00:55:04,219 --> 00:54:57,289
golden

1336
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:04,229
Geoscience Directorate they did in ideas

1337
00:55:09,140 --> 00:55:06,599
lab in 2016 and there's five cohorts of

1338
00:55:11,659 --> 00:55:09,150
us we specifically focus on the field

1339
00:55:14,749 --> 00:55:11,669
component there's early career there's

1340
00:55:16,489 --> 00:55:14,759
graduate there's gatekeepers and so

1341
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:16,499
we're cohorts of people five to nine

1342
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:19,140
pies per group that work to do this type

1343
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,390
of work to bring awareness to diversity

1344
00:55:25,189 --> 00:55:23,640
in the field disciplines because we do

1345
00:55:26,839 --> 00:55:25,199
not we don't retain when we have a

1346
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,849
science that there's a field component

1347
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,339
we lose those students we lose them

1348
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,079
particularly we've been addressing the

1349
00:55:34,339 --> 00:55:32,880
sexual assault on women and alcoholism

1350
00:55:38,149 --> 00:55:34,349
in the field alcohol use none of us

1351
00:55:39,739 --> 00:55:38,159
alcohol use in the field like that

1352
00:55:42,019 --> 00:55:39,749
that's a dangerous and unwelcoming

1353
00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:42,029
environment when we talk about having

1354
00:55:45,649 --> 00:55:43,559
students from Native communities where

1355
00:55:47,509 --> 00:55:45,659
addiction is a problem we've added a

1356
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:47,519
whole nother layer of trauma and stress

1357
00:55:50,419 --> 00:55:48,569
to these students being in the field

1358
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:50,429
science so they're there's a group it's

1359
00:55:54,779 --> 00:55:53,249
called golden you if you google it it's

1360
00:55:56,939 --> 00:55:54,789
hosted by end car

1361
00:55:59,519 --> 00:55:56,949
a new car and you'll see all the groups

1362
00:56:00,689 --> 00:55:59,529
that are there and the next workshop for

1363
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:00,699
field will be at the Ecological Society

1364
00:56:07,259 --> 00:56:04,630
of America conference in August 11th and

1365
00:56:08,939 --> 00:56:07,269
then in May of next year we'll have our

1366
00:56:12,479 --> 00:56:08,949
third cohort where we bring the two

1367
00:56:13,709 --> 00:56:12,489
first two cohorts together and see what

1368
00:56:16,249 --> 00:56:13,719
they learned and how they can teach each

1369
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:16,259
other and so we're continuing that work

1370
00:56:22,829 --> 00:56:20,319
thank you mm-hmm one more question Mary

1371
00:56:25,319 --> 00:56:22,839
so I'm Mary Wojtek I'm a program officer

1372
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:25,329
at NASA and I want to first of all thank

1373
00:56:30,359 --> 00:56:27,130
you for your patience and the work that

1374
00:56:35,429 --> 00:56:30,369
you're doing to try to educate program

1375
00:56:36,749 --> 00:56:35,439
officers you started on a bit of a path

1376
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:36,759
when you were answering one of the

1377
00:56:40,949 --> 00:56:38,529
questions before that made me really

1378
00:56:42,959 --> 00:56:40,959
perk up fact--in sorry yeah no no no no

1379
00:56:45,269 --> 00:56:42,969
actually my question is about that path

1380
00:56:47,759 --> 00:56:45,279
you went on before you self corrected

1381
00:56:49,019 --> 00:56:47,769
and that was when the question was asked

1382
00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:49,029
about what is it that we're doing that's

1383
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:51,400
annoying and one of the things that you

1384
00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:53,369
started to talk about was the fact that

1385
00:56:59,279 --> 00:56:56,589
if an proposal from an indigenous person

1386
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,289
comes in don't automatically just select

1387
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:00,880
it because you get your portfolio

1388
00:57:05,099 --> 00:57:03,400
diversity so I just wanted you to talk a

1389
00:57:08,909 --> 00:57:05,109
little bit more about that because I I

1390
00:57:10,349 --> 00:57:08,919
do think as a program officer I know

1391
00:57:12,359 --> 00:57:10,359
that maybe I have done something like

1392
00:57:15,149 --> 00:57:12,369
that but not to check a box but because

1393
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:15,159
I feel my understanding and maybe this

1394
00:57:19,709 --> 00:57:16,890
is because I haven't asked anyone is

1395
00:57:22,589 --> 00:57:19,719
it's really important to have models and

1396
00:57:24,929 --> 00:57:22,599
to show that that a group can be

1397
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:24,939
successful and that that actually

1398
00:57:29,579 --> 00:57:26,859
encourages other groups you know whether

1399
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:29,589
it's it's a person or discipline or

1400
00:57:34,169 --> 00:57:32,049
whatever it's it's a way to recruit and

1401
00:57:35,579 --> 00:57:34,179
invite and so I'm just interested in

1402
00:57:37,649 --> 00:57:35,589
hearing what you have to say about that

1403
00:57:39,329 --> 00:57:37,659
yeah so some of that work the fear for

1404
00:57:41,099 --> 00:57:39,339
me is we have these broadening

1405
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:41,109
participation initiatives right and

1406
00:57:46,469 --> 00:57:44,650
requirements and you can go to NSF and

1407
00:57:48,659 --> 00:57:46,479
probably other funding agencies and look

1408
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:48,669
at their diversity portfolio of how many

1409
00:57:51,659 --> 00:57:50,049
students are completing degrees and how

1410
00:57:54,539 --> 00:57:51,669
much money is going into it and so one

1411
00:57:57,209 --> 00:57:54,549
of my fears is that we're gonna be fun

1412
00:57:58,529 --> 00:57:57,219
we're funding two things we're funding

1413
00:57:59,909 --> 00:57:58,539
indigenous proposals we're recruiting

1414
00:58:03,239 --> 00:57:59,919
students they're not succeeding we have

1415
00:58:05,019 --> 00:58:03,249
a revolving door there's a program their

1416
00:58:08,589 --> 00:58:05,029
agenda is to graduate to Nate

1417
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:08,599
students hypothetical to Native students

1418
00:58:13,179 --> 00:58:11,900
they do graduate - how many more

1419
00:58:15,789 --> 00:58:13,189
students went through that program and

1420
00:58:16,989 --> 00:58:15,799
didn't succeed and more importantly in

1421
00:58:19,209 --> 00:58:16,999
the state of Alaska

1422
00:58:21,689 --> 00:58:19,219
the suicide rate from students who don't

1423
00:58:24,669 --> 00:58:21,699
succeed in college is unbelievable

1424
00:58:27,609 --> 00:58:24,679
it is unbelievable and it is traumatic

1425
00:58:29,769 --> 00:58:27,619
in the cry I've had three four students

1426
00:58:31,989 --> 00:58:29,779
in my own community commit suicide and

1427
00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:31,999
it is gut-wrenching to see the life

1428
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:33,859
wiped out of these kids eyes when they

1429
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:35,630
feel like they can no longer go into

1430
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:37,249
science because this is gonna happen to

1431
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:37,609
them

1432
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,890
there's a social obligation to working

1433
00:58:43,449 --> 00:58:41,599
with these communities when we're

1434
00:58:45,579 --> 00:58:43,459
driving the funding agencies are at the

1435
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:45,589
top of driving that policy and there is

1436
00:58:49,509 --> 00:58:47,209
a responsibility to the communities that

1437
00:58:50,769 --> 00:58:49,519
we're funding there really is I know a

1438
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:50,779
lot of them like know their stuff there

1439
00:58:56,289 --> 00:58:53,209
is we are allowing PI's to do this work

1440
00:58:59,799 --> 00:58:56,299
when they're not prepared to do it first

1441
00:59:02,890 --> 00:58:59,809
of all the other is I'm not train of

1442
00:59:04,209 --> 00:59:02,900
thought here is to meet that quota so

1443
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:04,219
now we're saying okay we put all these

1444
00:59:07,749 --> 00:59:05,390
millions of dollars into native

1445
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:07,759
education they're not graduating we're

1446
00:59:11,169 --> 00:59:09,169
gonna quit looking at Native people were

1447
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:11,179
going to put funding these people when

1448
00:59:14,649 --> 00:59:12,650
the bottom line is they weren't being

1449
00:59:15,699 --> 00:59:14,659
funded correctly anyway the P I was

1450
00:59:17,409 --> 00:59:15,709
getting the money they didn't have the

1451
00:59:18,729 --> 00:59:17,419
relationship with the community and so

1452
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:18,739
they turn of course and they worked on

1453
00:59:25,269 --> 00:59:21,369
another community but the money is still

1454
00:59:27,309 --> 00:59:25,279
coded as indigenous funding so now the

1455
00:59:28,539 --> 00:59:27,319
money's gone away to have two impacts

1456
00:59:30,339 --> 00:59:28,549
here and if we don't do these things

1457
00:59:32,499 --> 00:59:30,349
correctly than we're working with

1458
00:59:35,019 --> 00:59:32,509
diverse populations because a lot of

1459
00:59:36,399 --> 00:59:35,029
social damage and we perpetuate the

1460
00:59:38,439 --> 00:59:36,409
social damage and historical trauma

1461
00:59:40,269 --> 00:59:38,449
that's already been there but bringing

1462
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:40,279
that to people again you're trying to

1463
00:59:42,939 --> 00:59:41,209
fund you're trying to get your program

1464
00:59:44,349 --> 00:59:42,949
going your work but we don't stop to

1465
00:59:46,689 --> 00:59:44,359
think of these things because we've

1466
00:59:48,339 --> 00:59:46,699
never experienced it how many of you

1467
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:48,349
have been in a community of 350 people

1468
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,400
and you're related to everyone we don't

1469
00:59:58,659 --> 00:59:55,119
think of things like that and so

1470
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,669
lifelong learning on what is diversity

1471
01:00:01,539 --> 01:00:00,079
what is what are we doing with these

1472
01:00:03,309 --> 01:00:01,549
communities and I'll tell you this and I

1473
01:00:06,609 --> 01:00:03,319
tell all the program off Google is your

1474
01:00:09,189 --> 01:00:06,619
friend Google that tribe see what they

1475
01:00:10,749 --> 01:00:09,199
all have websites you can see who the

1476
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,759
leadership is when you get that proposal

1477
01:00:14,589 --> 01:00:12,079
you can see who the leadership is for

1478
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:14,599
education for science there's a person

1479
01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:16,690
listed and if they're not on that letter

1480
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:17,980
see many letter heads come in of a

1481
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:19,780
community member who took the tribal

1482
01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:21,849
letterhead wrote the letter and gave it

1483
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:24,700
to the pi the thing I didn't know the

1484
01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:27,310
community member I have no authority to

1485
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:29,020
grant anybody access to anything and

1486
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:31,450
they didn't either still learning

1487
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,430
learning and staying deal it's just

1488
01:00:36,329 --> 01:00:35,200
another thing to add but if we're gonna

1489
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:36,339
do these things and ethically

1490
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:38,700
responsible you culturally aligned way

1491
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:43,630
where we are not creating damage that's

1492
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:46,750
what we have to do and so that's the -

1493
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:49,450
my two fears is the social damage we're

1494
01:00:53,970 --> 01:00:52,960
going to perpetuate and the the removal

1495
01:00:56,579 --> 01:00:53,980
of funding because we're not having

1496
01:01:00,210 --> 01:00:56,589
success in these diverse communities as

1497
01:01:01,790 --> 01:01:00,220
I answer okay well how well done ethical

1498
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:01,800
AG and thank you very much

1499
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:03,930
please join me and thank you